The Hunter-Gatherer ([info]faustin) wrote,
@ 2008-04-13 11:33:00
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the strategy issue, for PR message
Should I target Valhalla CrossFit at people who are predisposed to embrace the challenge of CrossFit's methodology, who will not be turned off by the predominant vibes of "intense" "hardcore" "extreme"?

Because that's a small, possibly very small, subset of my potential target audience.

Under this tradeoff -- the tradeoff between "fitness for everyone" vs. "fitness for elites" -- lies a complicated issue. Most of you imagine a qualitative gap between the kind of people who get excited by the idea of "training like a Spartan" and... well, everyone else.

CrossFit has been oriented -- by default, and by accident more than by design -- to the fitness elites. But it won't always be so, and it needn't be so.

CrossFit is the most effective means at reducing the gap between natural athletes and the kinesthetically challenged. If anything, it's more valuable to everyone else than it is to the fitness elites. But there's a public relations challenge. People seem to believe in this qualitative gap between crossfit-types and themselves, and CrossFit has largely kept itself oriented to the "No Pain, No Gain" crowd.

That's why I've been so stuck on that Tagline / Slogan issue.

CrossFit programming changes this imagined qualitative gap between athletes and 'everyone else' into comparatively trivial, quantitative adjustments in load, intensity, time.

I think it's a pretty big ordeal of reorientation and marketing, to pitch CrossFit to everyone --- while stll attracting the people who will be unequivocally addicted to it from day one.

If my strategy is to stay with the default orientation -- Forging Elite Fitness, No Whiners, No Pain No Gain, Extreme Demands and Extraordinary Results for Firebreathers, etc -- I don't have to solve the marketing strategy that fights uphill, trying to integrate such conflicting messages into --- to pick the present thorn --- a coherent Tagline.

That's where I'm at today. "Extreme Demands, Optimal Results --- Intelligent Fitness & Health Training" is not my final decision -- it was more a panicked, hasty kludge in the midst of website design.


I want to see CrossFit successfully transition to reaching everyone. This process will happen, inevitably. I'd like to be one of the people blazing that trail. I'll need to grow into that challenge, however. If we're not trying to be the solution for everyone while emphasizing our superiority as the stuff of monsters... the message is so much clearer.

With this decision I can solve the tagline issue! er... soon. Not today.



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[info]smandal
2008-04-13 10:32 am UTC (link)
You want clientele who are willing to work hard, irrespective of any ambitions of being elite athletically. If you get the usual pretty boys and girls your organization will just get a bad rep.

I think you want to convey to prospective clients that your fitness philosophy (CrossFit) will reward them for their effort, and that your focus on results is to help them, not yourself. So I think you're on the right track with your emphasis on the science and education of fitness -- a reality-based program, rather than an image-based one. I would also make your optimism and exuberance clear -- this will encourage people to enter the program with the "can-do" attitude.

I don't how this translates to a slogan. I want to say something like "Re-think your limits."

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[info]faustin
2008-04-13 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Clearest and soundest statements yet from anyone. Thank you. You understand exactly what I'm trying to do.

My own tack on the same: many CrossFitters start to realize that the programming of the workouts itself is essential to their motivation, and also to the social aspect of it. They step to the next conclusion, and say that CrossFit makes a competitive "sport of fitness" (an actual Glassman quote) and believe this competitive 'game' is essential to the secret sauce.

But it's actually more genuine than that --- there's some social competitiveness, indeed. But look how popular running events are. Most major cities in America have large, public running events for recreational athletes every weekend, drawing HUGE numbers of participants. And the vast majority of those actually push themselves pretty hard to get as fast a time on the event (5k, 10k, half marathon, full marathon) as they can.

They're obviously not competing against each other. They're competing against, or 'pushing' if you prefer, themselves. The race has a very simple metric: distance and time, it's repeatable so they can monitor their own progress and performance, and they show up in droves and pay money to go out and do this -- actually solitary competition -- in a social atmosphere, and the social aspect of it is indeed very rewarding and enjoyable.

So it's social and individual, but the vast majority of the competition going on is man vs. self, and is facilitated by the simple metrics.


Again, thank you for your clarity and insight. You're right on.

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[info]smandal
2008-04-14 02:19 am UTC (link)
I mentioned your enterprise to a friend of mine who is familiar with SoCal, and he made the following useful comment: the area is saturated with fitness centers and philosophies. Even if you have a good product, it's tough to stick out of the mass of snake oil.

This suggests that emphasizing the education aspect is doubly important -- i.e., an atmosphere/community where knowledge, discussion and criticism are welcome.

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[info]yaymatt
2008-04-13 10:45 am UTC (link)
"valhalla" is about the most hilariously extreme name for a fitness program.

i hope they gave a huge bonus to whoever came up with that, and trademarked the hell out of it.

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[info]coanteen
2008-04-13 12:06 pm UTC (link)
If your main offerings will be along the lines of your "boot camp", 5-6 days a week in the wee hours of the morning, you won't attract anything but those who are already predisposed to it. Ye average gym-goer is more attracted to something like a class once or twice a week.

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[info]candid
2008-04-13 01:20 pm UTC (link)
And on the other hand, it's tough to imagine the predisposed willing to pay $1000 for 6 weeks of "boot camp".

(As a point of reference, my local CF charges $155/month for unlimited classes.)

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[info]atthesametime
2008-04-13 02:28 pm UTC (link)
I would try and create an atmosphere on the website and in the classes that is welcoming to the non elite. Not to constantly compare everything to my local affiliate, but they walk a good balance I think between space for the elite types and us regular joes.

there website is primal-fitness.com if you want to take a look.

Another really good idea I think is to actively reach out to people in the services/first responders. This isn't necessarily a market of the uber fit, but it is a group of people who respond well to the CF ideas.

Finally, I'd have to agree with the poster above, a 1,000 is a lot. My gym charges 150 for the four week boot camp, and 120 for a regular membership.

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[info]asatru_mom
2008-04-13 03:27 pm UTC (link)
One thing I keep running into when I talk to women that I'm trying to figure out how to address is that they just want to "tone" their muscles. This automatically grates on me, but I have to realize that this is the predominant attitude because the general misunderstanding is that if a woman does more than just "tone" her muscles, she'll end up looking like an extreme bodybuilder...

Then there's also the other major difference of motivation. Why do they want to get into shape? Is it just about having a beautiful body? But you tend to look like what you can do, and when you focus on results in strength, speed, and conditioning, the body will follow suit and look right. Form follows function. But this is also an issue which works both ways... some people start out saying they want to look better, but then get into it and find strength itself is a motivating factor.

This is such a pervasive misconception that it is going to take a very unique approach, based in education, but also in a way that makes it not so intimidating. I keep finding that you can't just present someone with cold, hard facts without being percieved as being confrontational, and I'm taking the time currently to learn better how to work with people in my business while I contemplate this issue.

But it looks like I'll be doing my crossfit stuff at the local globo-gym where I work... and maybe it'll catch on with some people.

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[info]faustin
2008-04-13 09:13 pm UTC (link)
I've been meaning to comment to you for a while --- absolutely do NOT worry about working at the globo gym. Seriously! Especially for your purposes of massage, you've found a great situation. The choice of whether to keep the GSX membership is indeed a tough one. Maybe you'll have to let it go for financial responsibility, and after a while your situation will change and you can resume.

Thanks for your thoughts here. I'm exhausted and spread thin now.

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[info]fitfool
2008-04-15 12:39 am UTC (link)
I think you're right that sticking with the aspiring elite will limit your potential pool of clients. But in the beginning, it might better to start small, establish yourself, and then have a solid base from which to expand and lure in the more average clients (that Crossfit for everyone angle). Then again, how much revenue will you need to generate to keep the gym afloat? You might have financial pressures to build up the client base as quickly as possible.

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